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QUESTIONS AND A DEBATE REGARDING SILSILAH TAKFR
« on: 20.05.2019, 04:56:47 AM »
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as-Salamu alaykum,

I am writing you from abroad. As I saw you offer a turkish site but I have to use a translator to understand so I am writing to you in English. My name is xxx, I am kurdish.

I have question: You wrote that the chain takfeer is well known and obligatory. To underline this you quoted the Ulama of Nadjd; but how can I understand the following:

Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab wrote in ad-Durar as-Sanīya 13/49:

And if you know that now, this people are from the Tawaghit. People from al-Harg and other are believing in them, everyone knows them. They offer the people and advise them to take them as intercessors; they are murtaddun (apostates). Who ever defends them [...] and claims that these deeds do not bring them out of the Islam, is at least a fasiq (-> not Mushrik?)"

Muḥammad b. ʿAbd al-Laṭīf mentions in ad-Durar as-Sanīya 13/440:

These festivals are the same as the (polytheistic) festivals in the Jahiliya. Who ever thinks that they are permissible is one of the most disbelieving creatures [...]. Who ever doubts AFTER THE HUGGA of they kufr gets (also) a disbeliver.

Why is Hugga necessary to say that the the doubter is a kafir if this topic belpngs to asl ad-deen.

Isḥāq b. ʿAbd ar-Raḥmān wrote

In realitiy they are making the Takfir on the mushrik in a general way but they are refraining from it (the Takfir) if they are alone. They bida and confusion have found acceptance from our brothers.

How can he call these people "brothers" if they refrained from the Takfeer?

Muhammad ibn abd-al Wahhab wrote in Mufīd al-Mustafīd (p. 23)

As a result of ignorance [...] some Muslims who love the truth got in doubt this topic (to declare the mushrik as a mushrik)

I think its your turn. What are you saying to these quotations?

EDIT:

The claim that not making takfeer is a prove that a person does not cut the relationship from the mushrikeen is not proven. You know that Ibrahim cut of the relationship from his father at his dead when got to know that his father was the enemy of Allah [1]. But does this mean that he saw his father as a Muslim before? I would not say that. So there is no connection between the topics as you claimed in your text.


[] see Ibn Garir and his interpretation


as-Salamu alaykum

Click on the link for the response.
Shaykh'ul Islm Ibnu Taymiyyah (Rahimahullh) stated,

والعالم يعرف الجاهل؛ لأنه كان جاهلا، والجاهل لا يعرف العالم لأنه لم يكن عالما

"The lim (scholar) recognizes the Jhil (ignorant) since he was once a Jhil. The Jhil does not recognize the lim since he has never been an lim." (Shaykh'ul Islm Ibnu Taymiyyah, Majm'ul Fatw, 13/235)

 

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